Martin Kierszenbaum on working with Sting, streaming’s influence on A&R, and why he’s a music biz optimist

MBW’s World’s Best Managers collection profiles the most effective artist managers within the international enterprise. This day out, we meet up with Martin Kierszenbaum, who through his Cherrytree Music Firm manages artists together with Sting and Shaggy. World’s Best Managers is supported by Centtrip, a specialist in clever treasury, funds and overseas change – created with the music business and its wants in thoughts.

What’s your dream job within the music business? The producer of a world smash hit album, maybe? Martin Kierszenbaum’s carried out that.

What about being a serious label exec that discovers and/or develops a large number of stars? Kierszenbaum’s carried out that too – from Woman Gaga to LMFAO, t.A.T.u, Feist, and Enrique Iglesias, all of whom he labored with throughout a 17-year tenure at Interscope Data (initially in worldwide advertising after which later in A&R).

Right here’s one other doozy of a profession path: Launching and rising your individual unbiased music powerhouse. Yep, Kierszenbaum’s carried out that too: 100% unbiased, Kierszenbaum’s The Cherrytree Music Firm immediately homes a report label, a music publishing firm, and the group’s central lynchpin – a extremely profitable artist administration arm.

Okay, final dream job risk: Managing a megastar with whom you construct a particular and trusted rapport over a number of a long time? Once more, verify: Kierszenbaum has managed Sting since 2016 (following the retirement of the artist’s long-time supervisor Kathy Schenker) however has labored with the legendary singer/songwriter in varied capacities for 31 years.

“I’ve seen Sting in all types of contexts throughout our time working collectively,” says Kierszenbaum, who first started working with the artist as his worldwide publicist at A&M in 1991. “He’s a gracious, beneficiant, vastly gifted, and really disciplined particular person.”

He’s additionally extremely prolific: Previously 10 years, Sting has launched 5 studio albums together with The Final Ship (2013), 57th & ninth (2016), My Songs (2019), and The Bridge (2021), plus the Grammy-winning 44/876 (2018) with Shaggy.

4 of these information had been produced or co-produced by Kierszenbaum, connecting the California-born entrepreneur together with his very past love: Making music.

Along with co-writing and/or co-producing numerous basic pop information throughout the final 30 years (together with Woman Gaga’s The Fame album and t.A.T.u’s All The Issues She Stated), Kierszenbaum studied piano rising up and graduated from the College of Michigan with a B.A in music principle. (He additionally holds a Grasp’s Diploma from the College of Southern California’s Annenberg Faculty for Communication and Journalism.) Kierszenbaum continues to create music within the studio, not too long ago releasing a collaboration with rapper Piper, How To Stroll Like A Man.

Today, nonetheless, it’s honest to say Kierszenbaum’s most high-profile position at Cherrytree is that of artist supervisor, not solely to Sting, but additionally artists akin to Shaggy, Mike Einziger from Incubus and tex-mex rock/pop band The Final Bandoleros (who, a number of weeks earlier than we sat down for the next interview, carried out reside on Good Morning America).

Right here, MBW asks Kierszenbaum about his strategy to A&R, navigating the trendy streaming world as a supervisor, and artists promoting their songwriting catalogs, amongst different topics…

You might have a BA in music principle and proceed to be an expert musician. Do you assume a real understanding of music issues for executives in artist improvement?

For me, it’s integral to have the ability to converse each languages: the language of music-making, and the language of music enterprise. It lets you convey your standpoint with the best nomenclature to [an artist]. I can say: ‘I really feel there may be a problem with this tune,’ with out then having to say ‘as a result of it’s too prickly’ or ‘as a result of it’s too blue’ or one thing like that. I can say, ‘Within the pre-chorus, I feel we might use a number one tone to the modulation,’ and many others.

On the opposite aspect, you’ve to have the ability to translate an artist’s imaginative and prescient to be understood in a advertising assembly, the place [otherwise] some individuals may be bewildered. That’s all interwoven with our philosophy at Cherrytree – we’re a really musician-led firm. That has quite a bit to do with my background: my sister is a musician, and I discovered piano from eight years outdated. My piano trainer in our neighborhood was incredible; I’m very grateful to Mrs. Inexperienced.

You’ve been concerned within the discovery and launch of numerous international superstars. What do you make of the argument that streaming is killing off the chance to launch superstars immediately?

That’s a ‘hen or egg’ query. Since you might undoubtedly posit the argument you point out. However you could possibly additionally say that it’s not right down to streaming – it’s not
the format. It’s the truth that individuals [working in music] are relying an excessive amount of on available empirical info
to make selections about funding into artists.

Certain, you possibly can put collectively a report on an iPad now and add it, and it’ll in all probability sound fairly good. That accessibility of distribution [creates] much more competitors. However on the similar time, for those who’re a super-talented individual from nearly any stroll of life, you will get entry to gear, and distribution to permit your self to be heard.

“I don’t assume there’s a shortage of expertise on the market.”

I don’t assume there’s a shortage of expertise on the market. It may be made a bit of bit extra opaque due to the amount that comes out, however I nonetheless assume the cream rises to the highest. That case is supported by the truth that some huge, actually fascinating international superstars have been created on this period: Dangerous Bunny, Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish, Lil Nas X.
They’re all vital, culture-changing artists.

I’m extra inclined to counsel that individuals in gatekeeping positions are possibly leaning on empirical information too usually as an alternative of utilizing some intuition.

Are these gatekeepers sufficiently incentivized to take dangers in A&R?

Good query: or are they actively disincentivized? If you happen to take an opportunity with out empirical help immediately, you’re hanging your neck on the market, man.

Within the environments I used to be fortunate sufficient to work in, there was ample room for intuition. However now I feel everyone’s searching for precise empirical info that exhibits that [a track] goes to be successful. That’s okay, besides it modifications the dynamics. There are enormous bidding wars, the checks are huge, and that places tons of stress on the artists, to not point out the A&R individuals.

[As a result] possibly artists aren’t allowed to develop their musical instincts as a lot. I’m not even certain if that [data-led approach to signing] engenders any extra success; you could possibly argue it’s typically much less profitable than hiring individuals who have an A&R intuition, a compass or a barometer primarily based on expertise.

You labored underneath Jimmy Iovine at Interscope and had an in depth relationship. Does the report enterprise miss that form of talisman, or is the following technology maintaining?

Jimmy is extraordinary: that’s what the scoreboard says and that’s what I felt about him. It was lots of enjoyable to work with him, particularly musically; he gave nice recommendation, had nice instincts, and supported me on lots of actual curveball initiatives that I introduced in. I’m grateful to him for that.

Are there different Jimmys? No, however there weren’t different Jimmys when Jimmy was at Interscope, both. Is there one other Berry Gordy? No. One other Herb [Alpert] and Jerry [Moss]? No. However I’m constructive there are new individuals coming by which can be extraordinary in their very own period. I’m not working with him, however my thoughts goes to Ron Perry or Tunji [Balogun], who I actually admire.

I’m certain there are others. Like Jimmy, these persons are so captivated with working in music, they might have been keen to do it without cost.

Who gave you the most effective ever recommendation concerning the music biz?

The day I began at Warner Brothers Data in 1989, in Burbank at that stunning ski lodge constructing, a gentleman by the identify of Lou Dennis got here as much as me – he was the pinnacle of gross sales. He was one of many individuals round Mo [Ostin], these Knights of the Spherical Desk at arguably the most effective report label ever.

Lou walked as much as me, and he goes, ‘Welcome to the report enterprise, child; you missed the heyday.’ It was mentioned in his sarcastic, very clever method, and it was humorous. However I nonetheless give it some thought practically day by day, as a result of I’ve since been capable of have an extended profession, help my household, have hits, and I’ve nonetheless survived to work with some superb artists immediately. My level is: the music enterprise is consistently altering.

So though some individuals may let you know ‘it was like this or that’, you simply should struggle, carve out your individual path, and make your individual heyday.

Kierszenbaum with Sting and Shaggy in L.A

Trying on the trendy music enterprise from a supervisor’s perspective, are you extra excited or extra skeptical concerning the future?

I imagine in music, I imagine in artists; I’m optimistic. That’s one thing constructed into my persona that’s allowed me to persevere by some arduous instances, and I’m grateful for it.

There are all types of improvements to be enthusiastic about immediately. Sting simply did a tune for a present referred to as Arcane, a present on Netflix [spun out of the League Of Legends video game]; the animation is unbelievable. I don’t assume I’ve ever labored with an organization outdoors the music group that loves and prioritizes music as a lot as Riot Video games [the maker of Arcane / League Of Legends]. I used to be tremendous impressed.

Season one was an enormous hit and received an Emmy – and Sting sings the finale tune. So there’s innovation occurring on this enterprise day by day, particularly once you’re fortunate sufficient to be round an artist like Sting, who’s continually difficult and curious.

Sting not too long ago SOLD A BUNDLE OF RIGHTS to Common for a nine-figure sum, persevering with a development that’s dominated music biz headlines for the previous couple of years. Is the catalog sale growth a wholesome factor for songwriters extra typically?

It’s a really private choice to promote your copyrights. These are issues that you simply invented and even channeled from someplace, relying on the way you see it. What may make sense for someone at a sure juncture of their profession might not make sense in any respect for someone at a special juncture.

I do know it could sound loopy, given the quantities which can be flying round and all of the stakes, however I actually assume it comes right down to this: How will you are feeling tomorrow, once you don’t personal your copyrights or your royalty streams or no matter it’s? If the reply is ‘I’ll really feel worse’, it’s a non-starter.

I work to ensure my shoppers [in that situation] are contemplating whether or not the deal they’re contemplating is sensible for them and their household, and in the event that they’re emotionally able to do it.

I used to be not too long ago chatting with a pal of mine, a profitable songwriter with some huge hits who’s not a part of [Cherrytree] and he mentioned: ‘I’m not going to promote. I’ve a home, my children are okay, I don’t must reside past my means. And to be trustworthy I simply love getting a royalty assertion each three months; it makes me really feel like I’ve carried out one thing in my life.’

An impromptu writing session with Sting on the airplane

Why choose Common as the customer for Sting’s stellar tune catalog?

That’s a straightforward reply: We all know Common very nicely, they’ve marketed and distributed Sting’s masters for a while, and so they deal with him with respect. Plus it’s an organization whose core enterprise is music.

Unsurprisingly, there have been lots of events. I’m not saying each [price offered] was equal, however, for essentially the most half, all of them realized the worth of a catalog that’s an absolute gem. And what it really got here right down to was realizing that music is the No.1 precedence for [Universal], and realizing the historical past of how they’ve handled the artist.

“Jody [Gerson] wrote essentially the most stunning, eloquent letter to Sting… Genuinely, that [letter] was simply as vital as any of the opposite stuff.”

Lucian [Grainge] handled Sting with lots of respect, as did Jody [Gerson]. Jody wrote essentially the most stunning, eloquent letter to Sting and me. It mentioned the emotional aspect of getting the nice honor to work his extraordinary catalog. Genuinely, that [letter] was simply as vital as any of the opposite stuff.

If you happen to might change one factor concerning the music enterprise proper right here and now, what wouldn’t it be and why?

I’d need songwriters and artists to receives a commission extra of the pie. That’s it. That must be the No.1 precedence. I want they had been getting a much bigger proportion of streaming and digital consumption. It must be recalibrated.

Are you indicating that extra ought to be paid out within the first place?

No. I’m saying a much bigger proportion of proceeds from the precise consumption ought to go to the artist than it does immediately.

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